2018-02-26 16:50:31	intrigeri	hi
2018-02-26 16:50:35	sambar	ping
2018-02-26 16:50:50	sambar	hello intri
2018-02-26 16:51:34	ggus	hey!
2018-02-26 16:51:44	intrigeri	hey ggus, samba & everyone else
2018-02-26 16:51:59	 *	t0mmy is lurking
2018-02-26 16:52:26	 *	sambar prepare a pad
2018-02-26 16:52:50	intrigeri	sambar: ha ha, I was doing the same. go ahead :)
2018-02-26 16:53:02	sambar	intri propose a name for the pad!
2018-02-26 16:53:12	sambar	I was creating something like cryptorave2018_tor_tails
2018-02-26 16:53:14	intrigeri	I guess that's where the "being on the same pad^Wpage" expression comes from.
2018-02-26 16:53:23	intrigeri	sambar: mine was "PPvdM4pZDk5v"
2018-02-26 16:53:30	intrigeri	sambar: I think you're is slightly less ambiguous.
2018-02-26 16:53:36	intrigeri	s/you're/yours/
2018-02-26 16:53:50	sambar	https://pad.riseup.net/p/cryptorave2018_tor_tails
2018-02-26 16:55:21	jose-victor	hey!
2018-02-26 16:55:41	sambar	heya
2018-02-26 16:55:50	intrigeri	hey jose-victor :)
2018-02-26 16:57:06	ggus	hey zeh o/
2018-02-26 16:57:12	ggus	who else confirmed?
2018-02-26 16:57:31	 *	gwolf cheers for intrigeri here
2018-02-26 16:57:32	anadahz	olá
2018-02-26 16:58:00	intrigeri	gwolf: hey hey
2018-02-26 16:58:07	anadahz	going to ping some people from #tor-prpject
2018-02-26 16:58:20	anadahz	* #tor-project
2018-02-26 16:58:29	gwolf	anadahz: Please do :-]
2018-02-26 16:58:37	gwolf	Otherwise, we will have quite a bit of fast-writing to do
2018-02-26 16:58:57	intrigeri	ggus: drebs. I think that's all according to the poll.
2018-02-26 16:59:09	anadahz	also we could move to #tor-meeting in case we want to have meetbot around
2018-02-26 16:59:35	intrigeri	anadahz: as you wish :)
2018-02-26 17:00:41	drebs	o/
2018-02-26 17:01:18	intrigeri	drebs: bom dia
2018-02-26 17:01:31	isabela	o/
2018-02-26 17:01:38	isabela	i have a meeting in 1hr
2018-02-26 17:01:43	isabela	but i will hang out
2018-02-26 17:01:56	sambar	me too, so let's do it
2018-02-26 17:01:57	drebs	foz is here with us
2018-02-26 17:02:03	intrigeri	isabela: I certainly hope we'll be done in 1hr. I'm opposed to longer meeting anyway.
2018-02-26 17:02:03	isabela	drebs: :)
2018-02-26 17:02:06	isabela	intrigeri: :)
2018-02-26 17:02:36	intrigeri	sambar: do you want to facilitate? I'm happy to take notes which will help me shut up.
2018-02-26 17:02:37	anadahz	great we are quite some people around :)
2018-02-26 17:02:55	intrigeri	drebs: hi foz!
2018-02-26 17:03:08	 *	ilv is lurking
2018-02-26 17:03:33	sambar	yes, I can help taking notes, happy a lot of ppl are squatting the chan! quite a party :)
2018-02-26 17:03:34	sambar	hi foz!
2018-02-26 17:03:37	sambar	hi drebs
2018-02-26 17:03:48	sambar	hi isa!
2018-02-26 17:04:35	anadahz	if you don't mind I can add the meeting notes (log) to trac
2018-02-26 17:04:43	anadahz	do we have an agenda?
2018-02-26 17:05:20	intrigeri	decide what Tor/Tails stuff we want to make happen at CryptoRav, and who will make it happen.
2018-02-26 17:07:10	intrigeri	meta: so far I've occupied lots of space in the mailing list discussion so now I'd like to listen and learn what others feel/want/think and see if it resonates with what we've designed on the mailing list so far.
2018-02-26 17:07:38	intrigeri	sambar prepared a pad: https://pad.riseup.net/p/cryptorave2018_tor_tails where there's the background/past info.
2018-02-26 17:07:39	drebs	there are already 3 proposals: (1) intro to tor and tails (talk), (2) tails users meetup (discussion), (3) tor users meetop (discussion)
2018-02-26 17:07:59	 *	isabela added a couple of notes to the pad
2018-02-26 17:08:01	isabela	:D
2018-02-26 17:08:46	intrigeri	isabela: I want to do intercept interviews and I think the (3) proposal can be useful to identify people for user testing & intercept interviews. UX research ftw!
2018-02-26 17:09:11	isabela	:)
2018-02-26 17:09:18	isabela	indeed
2018-02-26 17:09:28	intrigeri	sambar: so, do you want to facilitate or shall we try to convince drebs to do it?
2018-02-26 17:09:30	drebs	what is the relation between the 5 things noted in the pad and the 3 proposals sent to the list? are the the same?
2018-02-26 17:09:42	gman999	oops
2018-02-26 17:09:43	 *	gwolf runs for some badly needed coffee
2018-02-26 17:09:44	gman999	here now
2018-02-26 17:09:44	sambar	I don't know how to facilitate
2018-02-26 17:09:50	sambar	but I can push ppl
2018-02-26 17:10:08	sambar	drebs can you help me?
2018-02-26 17:10:28	ggus	can i make a short intro before everything?
2018-02-26 17:10:29	intrigeri	drebs: I don't know where these 5 already submitted events come from. the 3 proposals came out of the mailing list discussion. personally I wanted to have this discussion before I submit anything.
2018-02-26 17:10:29	drebs	yes, but i also haven't done before.
2018-02-26 17:10:51	intrigeri	OK, let's try to help each other facilitating then.
2018-02-26 17:10:53	intrigeri	ggus:  go!
2018-02-26 17:12:14	ggus	Ok, first thing is that we are currently in the crowdfunding time of Cryptorave. We have 39 days to crowdfund the whole event and we need ~20k USD (90%!!). So, help to spread the campaign: https://catarse.me/cryptorave2018 (in english at the end)
2018-02-26 17:13:11	isabela	!!!!
2018-02-26 17:13:25	ggus	mailing lists, facebook, twitter, signal, whatsapp
2018-02-26 17:13:45	gwolf	FWIW, I see (happily!) that my group of students is listed as a first bullet point here
2018-02-26 17:13:47	ggus	share the campaign
2018-02-26 17:13:50	intrigeri	ggus: will see with my team if that's something @Tails_live can relay (we *very* rarely retweet anything)
2018-02-26 17:14:12	gwolf	I don't really have much to say about it, other than I want them to get involved :-]
2018-02-26 17:14:17	ggus	ok, that's it. 
2018-02-26 17:14:19	gwolf	(the UNAM group)
2018-02-26 17:14:22	ggus	intrigeri: thanks :)
2018-02-26 17:15:02	intrigeri	gwolf: will some of them be at CryptoRave?
2018-02-26 17:15:08	anadahz	usually participants and speakers fund CR, it's also nice to get a hoodie or t-shirt :)
2018-02-26 17:15:36	drebs	(it seems there are 4 points to discuss in the pad and ~45min, after ggus is over shall we start with the first one?)
2018-02-26 17:15:50	ggus	yes!
2018-02-26 17:15:56	anadahz	sure!
2018-02-26 17:16:00	gwolf	intrigeri: It is probable, but we have to decide on it. I had the offer from the Tor project to cover the costs for somebody in the team to attend a Tor meeting - First we thought about Rome, but I think Brazil makes more sense
2018-02-26 17:16:20	intrigeri	drebs: ggus said "that's it" so I think we can move on and talk about Unam (gwolf's student group).
2018-02-26 17:16:50	drebs	ok, who put that first point there?
2018-02-26 17:17:18	anadahz	me, Topic: CryptoRave and Unam university [MX]
2018-02-26 17:17:38	gwolf	I don't know if I should go into details on my project - But basically, I started a research project (grant) with a group of students to explore anon+priv issues, set up infrastructure, and so
2018-02-26 17:17:39	isabela	gwolf: i think that makes sense indeed, have you already communicated with jon/shari?
2018-02-26 17:17:54	intrigeri	gwolf: Would it be good enough to 1. suggest them to subscribe to the Tor global-south list; 2. get in touch with us at the events we'll run there; 3. find out who among us here can commit to welcome them properly.  ?
2018-02-26 17:18:22	gwolf	isabela: I frankly don't remember all whom I've talked with, and as a newcomer to this community, the names still blur ;-). I have talked... with ggus, anadahz, flexlibris 
2018-02-26 17:18:30	isabela	:)
2018-02-26 17:18:32	isabela	ok
2018-02-26 17:19:07	isabela	i can follow up with you offmeeting on the budget part
2018-02-26 17:19:36	gwolf	I want to see for which activities we would sign them up - Of course, I'd like the person who goes to present the project we are pursuing and any advances we gather until then. 
2018-02-26 17:19:55	intrigeri	OK, so we need to define these activities, which is point 4 on the agenda :)
2018-02-26 17:20:23	gwolf	Of course, I want them (each individual) to get involved in Tor-south and in related activities. But that's... many steps away :)
2018-02-26 17:20:33	sambar	I'm helping adding stuff in the point 4
2018-02-26 17:21:16	sambar	ggus  there will be the caravana project this year?
2018-02-26 17:21:28	sambar	I think this can help for the point 1 
2018-02-26 17:21:57	sambar	if someone from the university of Unam want to help can be easy to organize a caravana for the cr2018
2018-02-26 17:22:14	drebs	gwolf, so if i understand correctly you have 2 things to propose: that your students present the project, and that they participate on other stuff, is that right>?
2018-02-26 17:22:18	ggus	sambar: nope, there are probably going to be only students from UNICAMP/Campinas
2018-02-26 17:22:23	ilv	fwiw i've been trying to coordinate with gwolf so we don't duplicate efforts (wrt derechos digitales + otf)
2018-02-26 17:22:54	gwolf	drebs: I want them to get involved with the project, not necessarily mediated via me. So, getting to know the people is key.
2018-02-26 17:23:09	gwolf	drebs: Also, I want the attendees to Cryptorave to know how we are progressing
2018-02-26 17:23:36	gwolf	...We have been doing some interesting things i.e. with ilv to get legal authorization to run an exit node in a big univ network
2018-02-26 17:23:48	gman999	nice
2018-02-26 17:23:49	gwolf	so, yes and yes
2018-02-26 17:24:30	intrigeri	all this sounds excellent to me. the budget aspect is in good hands and we're now aware we'll probably have nice guests we should welcome properly. perhaps that's good enough for this kick-off meeting and we can move on to the next topic?
2018-02-26 17:24:44	isabela	+1
2018-02-26 17:25:01	drebs	+1, but would like to hear from gwolf if he wants to add something else before we move on
2018-02-26 17:25:13	ggus	+1
2018-02-26 17:25:16	intrigeri	sure :)
2018-02-26 17:25:28	gwolf	drebs: that's it for me
2018-02-26 17:25:32	gwolf	from me
2018-02-26 17:25:37	sambar	2 Annual Tor meetup/gathering
2018-02-26 17:25:50	drebs	who put that up?
2018-02-26 17:26:11	isabela	idk, but i think we need to evaluate this considering the military intervention in rio
2018-02-26 17:26:20	isabela	not sure if that is what folks wants to talk about
2018-02-26 17:26:32	isabela	i am monitoring things and keeping tor ppl informed too
2018-02-26 17:26:36	sambar	yes, I don't think is a great idea..
2018-02-26 17:26:45	gwolf	:-|
2018-02-26 17:26:57	drebs	isabela, evaluate what? the happening of the meeting in rio?
2018-02-26 17:27:13	isabela	drebs: that was a suggestion to have tor meeting in nov in sp
2018-02-26 17:27:14	ggus	well, i'm still not in jail for running a relay
2018-02-26 17:27:15	intrigeri	(I don't know what "this" is that we need to evaluate etc. nor how it relates to CryptoRave; but I don't need to follow everything.)
2018-02-26 17:27:29	ggus	i agree with intrigeri 
2018-02-26 17:27:47	ggus	we can collect more info till Rome meeting
2018-02-26 17:27:50	anadahz	so last year we had a big circle with a number of people (mainly from Brazil) that were hosting relays, wanted to learn more about Tor, kind of Tor ask me anything for newcomers to relay operators. Do we want to do this again?
2018-02-26 17:27:51	isabela	i think we can jump this 
2018-02-26 17:27:56	isabela	and give more context to folks etc
2018-02-26 17:27:57	drebs	ok
2018-02-26 17:27:59	isabela	maybe via email?
2018-02-26 17:28:06	ggus	anadahz: yes
2018-02-26 17:28:21	intrigeri	yes, please :) I'm sure we'll have at least another such meeting btw.
2018-02-26 17:28:22	gwolf	I don't think Brazil will suddenly become a full-fledged police state or endanger status in such a short period... But things are far from calm and predictable there  ☹
2018-02-26 17:28:24	ggus	isabela: maybe private emails?
2018-02-26 17:28:27	isabela	giving that i havent even had a chance to talk w who organizes these meetings about the military intervention in rio hehe
2018-02-26 17:28:27	gwolf	When do you have elections?
2018-02-26 17:28:37	gwolf	That might change a *lot* of things
2018-02-26 17:28:46	isabela	october
2018-02-26 17:28:46	drebs	october
2018-02-26 17:28:57	gwolf	(even the intervention of Rio can be seen as an *opportunity* to see what is there to learn from the contingency
2018-02-26 17:29:09	isabela	gwolf: i am following brazil situation from pretty close
2018-02-26 17:29:09	gwolf	ouch... I would... stay clear of the area then :(
2018-02-26 17:29:12	anadahz	The Tor meetup/gathering last year was a good starting point for the "tor-south".
2018-02-26 17:29:16	isabela	gwolf: even though i might not be there
2018-02-26 17:29:35	drebs	so there was a proposal to continue this conversation over email, is there something we should discuss here instead? otherwise maybe we should move on to the next point. (don't want to step on toes, just trying to be agile ;)
2018-02-26 17:29:40	sambar	isa, gus, if you are going in Rome try to see there how's the ppl feeling about next meeting in brazil giving the situation, in parallel gus you can share your thoughts during the next months if a tor meeting makes sense in sp or not
2018-02-26 17:30:02	isabela	ok
2018-02-26 17:30:07	ggus	ok
2018-02-26 17:30:46	drebs	next pint?
2018-02-26 17:30:48	drebs	*point
2018-02-26 17:30:48	gman999	rio in br?
2018-02-26 17:30:49	anadahz	Action: add a discussion point in Rome's  Tor meeting 
2018-02-26 17:30:52	gman999	is that the city?
2018-02-26 17:30:53	intrigeri	drebs: yes.
2018-02-26 17:31:03	ggus	gman999: rio, rio de janeiro
2018-02-26 17:31:34	anadahz	just to clear things up Tor meetupo is NOT the annual Tor meeting.
2018-02-26 17:31:40	anadahz	*meetup
2018-02-26 17:31:47	intrigeri	woohoo, we have a "next thing to do" and a name. next topic then :)
2018-02-26 17:32:00	drebs	can we move on?
2018-02-26 17:32:21	isabela	+1
2018-02-26 17:32:25	jose-victor	+1
2018-02-26 17:32:25	anadahz	so if yes we need to find out who is going to fascilitate it :P
2018-02-26 17:32:34	ilv	well, i did not put that point in the pad but i can give a very brief summary
2018-02-26 17:32:54	drebs	ilv, are you talking about
2018-02-26 17:32:56	drebs	3 Follow-up with relays and legal advice in LATAM [DerechosDigitales]
2018-02-26 17:32:58	drebs	?
2018-02-26 17:33:01	ilv	yes
2018-02-26 17:33:07	drebs	please do
2018-02-26 17:33:46	ilv	at derechos digitales we are now officialy working on the otf grant to support more relays in part of latin america
2018-02-26 17:33:51	intrigeri	anadahz: I've tried to disambiguate the confusion between these 2 meetings on the pad.
2018-02-26 17:34:13	ilv	we started to do some legal mapping and have started to do some graphics and documentation in spanish
2018-02-26 17:34:36	ilv	now, wrt to cryptorave, this is sadly only material and stuff in spanish
2018-02-26 17:34:45	ilv	and it's a work in progress :P
2018-02-26 17:35:00	ilv	i am not sure if is something to talk about it
2018-02-26 17:35:03	sambar	nice, I'm adding a point here
2018-02-26 17:35:24	sambar	I tried to help some friends of tpb to find a vps in brazil to create a relay
2018-02-26 17:35:28	drebs	ilv, if there's *something* that is finished that may be translated maybe you could send it to the tor-south list?
2018-02-26 17:35:42	sambar	seems it's very difficult to find a trusted hosting 
2018-02-26 17:35:57	sambar	so this can be a point to share while making this research
2018-02-26 17:36:01	ilv	drebs: sure, i think we are close to have a first part finished
2018-02-26 17:36:12	sambar	if you find trusted hosting partner this is valuable information
2018-02-26 17:36:33	anadahz	sambar: take care usually VPSes are not allowing that much bandwidth
2018-02-26 17:36:35	drebs	great, samba, could you define "trusted" briefly
2018-02-26 17:36:41	drebs	?
2018-02-26 17:37:12	intrigeri	ilv: added an action item for you about drebs proposal.
2018-02-26 17:37:23	drebs	also, does anyone else want to add something to this point 3?
2018-02-26 17:37:48	ilv	cool, thanks. 
2018-02-26 17:37:57	intrigeri	I'm not entirely sure how the trusted ISP topic relates to CryptoRave. Is this something that should be worked on / discussed at CR?
2018-02-26 17:37:59	drebs	or should we move to next point in agenda?
2018-02-26 17:37:59	sambar	yes. trusted is that kind of provider which is not cutting you off the bandwith when realize you are using it so much 
2018-02-26 17:38:21	sambar	or beacuse you are a tor relay is shutdown your machine, instead understand what tor is and support it
2018-02-26 17:38:35	drebs	could that be one point to be discussed in one of the activities that will be discussed in next point?
2018-02-26 17:38:50	anadahz	as we are running out of time i can ask ilv directly
2018-02-26 17:38:59	anadahz	next topic?
2018-02-26 17:39:07	ilv	yes please do
2018-02-26 17:39:09	drebs	next topic:
2018-02-26 17:39:14	 *	flexlibris is here
2018-02-26 17:39:19	drebs	4 decide what Tor/Tails stuff we want to make happen at CryptoRave, and who will make it happen.
2018-02-26 17:39:39	drebs	there are some ideas from the list
2018-02-26 17:39:48	sambar	intrigeri  you want to make some intro about it?
2018-02-26 17:39:50	drebs	there are already 3 proposals: (1) intro to tor and tails (talk), (2) tails users meetup (discussion), (3) tor users meetop (discussion)
2018-02-26 17:40:03	drebs	and there are some more in the pad
2018-02-26 17:40:20	sambar	I can quickly say mine:
2018-02-26 17:40:23	intrigeri	sambar: I'm not sure what I can add that I didn't already paste on the pad.
2018-02-26 17:40:34	sambar	  - provide usb and build a tails, workshop will be nice [smb]
2018-02-26 17:40:52	sambar	I saw during some meeting in brazil about tails which is great if the ppl makes their own usb
2018-02-26 17:41:08	sambar	they will realize how to do it and multiplicate it
2018-02-26 17:41:17	intrigeri	sambar: you mean installing their own Tails, right? not building it from source?
2018-02-26 17:41:17	sambar	we can provide usb and do a workshop
2018-02-26 17:41:25	sambar	yes, installing 
2018-02-26 17:41:29	sambar	no, no gcc stuff
2018-02-26 17:41:31	sambar	:)
2018-02-26 17:41:38	sambar	second point, very annoying.. the boot
2018-02-26 17:41:53	sambar	this is a blocker for a person who doesn't know who to start tails
2018-02-26 17:41:54	intrigeri	sambar: we can discuss them one after the other maybe?
2018-02-26 17:42:06	ggus	somedays ago i had the idea of to make "tor school" after the event. one or two full days to dissect the onion, so we can have a strong userbase in brazil
2018-02-26 17:42:32	drebs	i'm crying already
2018-02-26 17:42:35	sambar	nice*
2018-02-26 17:42:36	jose-victor	ggus: seems nice!
2018-02-26 17:42:56	intrigeri	If someone wants to run a Tails install party I'd happily observe and take notes to learn UX stuff.
2018-02-26 17:43:08	intrigeri	jose-victor: would you want to run a Tails install party at CR?
2018-02-26 17:44:03	intrigeri	(actually I don't know/remember if drebs and sambar will be there by the way)
2018-02-26 17:44:13	gman999	part of me thinks determing what to offer is just based on what you have.
2018-02-26 17:44:20	sambar	so the boot problem is a blocker for a lot of new user in tails, I don't know what to do about this but it worth to share this and think about some idea to solve this
2018-02-26 17:44:33	gman999	it doesn't have to go deep, but a bunch of short workshops on manageable topics works IMHO
2018-02-26 17:44:34	sambar	no, intrigeri I think I will not participate to this CR
2018-02-26 17:44:44	sambar	:(
2018-02-26 17:44:55	sambar	but I will help to make it happening
2018-02-26 17:44:55	drebs	intrigeri, i will
2018-02-26 17:45:06	jose-victor	intrigeri: i could do it :)
2018-02-26 17:45:24	drebs	jose-victor, i can help if you need :)
2018-02-26 17:45:25	intrigeri	sambar: I expect this kind of bug reports will surface if we do a Tails users meetup there. And in the meantime I'd like to understand what you're refering to (email me or catch me in PM later?)
2018-02-26 17:45:39	sambar	kk
2018-02-26 17:45:57	jose-victor	drebs: let's go :)
2018-02-26 17:46:21	sambar	ok, can we jump to the next/last point?
2018-02-26 17:46:21	drebs	ok, so there's people already for an install party
2018-02-26 17:46:38	ggus	what about the two days after cryptorave? :)
2018-02-26 17:46:40	intrigeri	so we have 2 volunteers for the Tails install party, great. could it be a Tor Browser install party as well, for those who want it instead of Tails?
2018-02-26 17:46:59	intrigeri	ggus: count me in. I'm staying a few days precisely to have time for this kind of post-CR fun.
2018-02-26 17:47:01	drebs	intrigeri, i think it's a good idea and not a problem
2018-02-26 17:47:02	ggus	explaining the circuits, to be addressed to a technical group
2018-02-26 17:47:13	drebs	ggus, i love that idea
2018-02-26 17:47:19	ggus	:D
2018-02-26 17:47:25	anadahz	count me in too :)
2018-02-26 17:47:32	intrigeri	drebs, jose-victor: ask tails@ budget for buying USB sticks. I'll support this proposal.
2018-02-26 17:47:44	drebs	intrigeri, great
2018-02-26 17:47:48	ilv	for point 4 i would say that there should be a "what is Tor" talk
2018-02-26 17:47:50	anadahz	(I need to figure out how to go there first)
2018-02-26 17:47:51	jose-victor	ok
2018-02-26 17:48:27	intrigeri	ilv: agreed, ggus made it clear on the list. that's "1. Introduction to Tor and Tails [talk]". but we lack a speaker I think.
2018-02-26 17:49:02	jose-victor	ggus: what is the activity "11 tor e um segredo"?
2018-02-26 17:49:06	ggus	i can speak
2018-02-26 17:49:07	jose-victor	tors*
2018-02-26 17:49:22	 *	isabela fades out (sorry) to prepare for another meeting
2018-02-26 17:49:30	ggus	jose-victor: it's about a perl script to redirect all the traffic to tor
2018-02-26 17:49:42	 *	sambar need to jump to another meeting..
2018-02-26 17:49:45	drebs	about tor, someone wrote on the pad:
2018-02-26 17:49:53	drebs	  - if you'd like some Tor swag I can (probably) coordinate [t0mmy]
2018-02-26 17:49:55	drebs	what's a swag?
2018-02-26 17:50:07	gwolf	drebs: stickers, usb keys, nice stuff to give away
2018-02-26 17:50:08	drebs	is that related with tor intro?>
2018-02-26 17:50:09	intrigeri	isabela: bye. see lines 57-59 on the pad when you have time ("intrigeri would like to ...")
2018-02-26 17:50:17	drebs	ah ok thanks
2018-02-26 17:50:26	intrigeri	drebs: it could be!
2018-02-26 17:50:37	intrigeri	drebs: end of the Tor+Tails intro, give/sell swag.
2018-02-26 17:50:42	drebs	ok
2018-02-26 17:50:42	ggus	i can get the swags in rome
2018-02-26 17:51:04	ggus	and bring to sao paulo
2018-02-26 17:51:05	isabela	intrigeri: yes yes ! that would be great
2018-02-26 17:51:10	drebs	is
2018-02-26 17:51:10	sambar	just adding last point here, if we want to improve the tor/tails communities we should let participate more ppl from latam in the tor meeting or start to organize decentralized tor meeting in north/south part of the world (just an idea)
2018-02-26 17:51:12	drebs	isabela, 
2018-02-26 17:51:22	intrigeri	ggus: wrt. the 2^42th "redirect everything to Tor" implementation: please send me links to the source code in PM.
2018-02-26 17:51:23	anadahz	isabela: re: OONI in last CR we hosted a listatona to improve the URL test-lists in LATAM, maybe it makes sense to repeat it.
2018-02-26 17:51:23	drebs	none of the 4 activities already mproposed is tor intro?
2018-02-26 17:51:28	sambar	leaving for now, have a nice day!
2018-02-26 17:51:37	ggus	intrigeri: ok
2018-02-26 17:51:38	intrigeri	sambar: bye
2018-02-26 17:51:39	anadahz	ciao sambar 
2018-02-26 17:51:41	intrigeri	drebs: apparently not
2018-02-26 17:51:43	isabela	anadahz: sure, but i want to talk about the campaign too
2018-02-26 17:52:05	isabela	anadahz: so i kind of want to explain how we can use ooni for the campaign etc
2018-02-26 17:52:07	anadahz	isabela: OK let's talk later about it or IRL in Rome
2018-02-26 17:52:08	ggus	drebs: i don't think so
2018-02-26 17:52:10	drebs	intrigeri, i could do it, but would prefer to do with someone else
2018-02-26 17:52:11	intrigeri	drebs: mayyyybe *you* could do the Tails+Tor intro talk?
2018-02-26 17:52:11	isabela	sure
2018-02-26 17:53:04	drebs	i could, will try to find a partner, will feedback in the list this week
2018-02-26 17:53:36	intrigeri	drebs: *worst case*, If you don't find anyone else, I can be on stage and smile while you're talking :]
2018-02-26 17:53:49	intrigeri	drebs: (more seriously, you could delegate part of the Tails bits to me — but please gimme orders, tell me what part you want me to cover and what you're handling yourself).
2018-02-26 17:53:50	gwolf	intrigeri: I feel you stretching the mayyyyyyybe :-] I think it makes sense. I think an introductory talk should be presented in the native language
2018-02-26 17:53:51	drebs	intrigeri, great. I bet you have lots of slides for previous talks?
2018-02-26 17:54:17	ilv	i did a talk about tor relays in latam last year, i can share the slides if you want
2018-02-26 17:54:20	ilv	it's portuñol
2018-02-26 17:54:23	gwolf	you can present more specific insights. But I think it makes sense to have drebs present
2018-02-26 17:54:30	intrigeri	drebs: https://tails.boum.org/contribute/how/promote/material/slides/
2018-02-26 17:54:47	ggus	i think tor and tails should be different activities
2018-02-26 17:54:48	intrigeri	gwolf: absolutely!
2018-02-26 17:54:56	drebs	perfect
2018-02-26 17:55:03	intrigeri	ggus: do you mean for the intro talk or for the user meetups?
2018-02-26 17:55:07	drebs	ggus, intro to tor, and separate intro to tails?
2018-02-26 17:55:12	gwolf	I don't know how engaged the public of CR already is into this all - how introductory do the talks need to be...
2018-02-26 17:55:17	ggus	drebs: yes
2018-02-26 17:55:18	attila	beuans
2018-02-26 17:55:24	ggus	because tails you can demonstrate
2018-02-26 17:55:24	attila	er, buenas even
2018-02-26 17:55:28	ggus	plug in the computer
2018-02-26 17:55:33	ilv	+1 to separate talks
2018-02-26 17:55:35	anadahz	You can find some more slides in: https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/org/teams/CommunityTeam/Projects/GlobalSouth#Events
2018-02-26 17:55:46	anadahz	(for inspiration)
2018-02-26 17:55:56	ggus	in FISL, at 2014, we did like that and worked pretty well!!
2018-02-26 17:55:57	intrigeri	gwolf: tl;dr: entry level, don't assume much. but give just enough hints for more tech-savvy people to get excited and want to join your community too :)
2018-02-26 17:56:29	ggus	gwolf: https://cpa.cryptorave.org/pt-br/CR2017/public/events
2018-02-26 17:56:33	ggus	gwolf: 2017 schedule
2018-02-26 17:56:53	drebs	ok, i will see if i find people to do the 2 things together
2018-02-26 17:56:56	intrigeri	drebs: can you handle both talks? (with the accomplices I'm sure you'll find)
2018-02-26 17:57:02	intrigeri	woohoo \o/
2018-02-26 17:57:16	drebs	yes
2018-02-26 17:57:41	gwolf	great, thanks for the reference
2018-02-26 17:57:53	drebs	the deadline for calls for activities is March 24th
2018-02-26 17:57:55	jose-victor	there will be 2 introductory talks, one about Tor and other about Tails, right?
2018-02-26 17:58:13	drebs	jose-victor, that is what's being proposed
2018-02-26 17:58:16	intrigeri	wrt. the Tor and Tails users meetup*s* I'd be happy to do it with someone else too.
2018-02-26 17:58:18	--	tdruiva_sip is now known as tdruiva
2018-02-26 17:58:36	intrigeri	I guess I'll submit these 2 meetups anyway unless someone thinks it's a bad idea?
2018-02-26 17:58:41	drebs	intrigeri, do you think itś better to have them before or after the talks/
2018-02-26 17:58:42	drebs	?
2018-02-26 17:58:54	drebs	(or doesn't matter?)
2018-02-26 17:58:57	isabela	intrigeri: happy to help with tor users meetup
2018-02-26 17:59:03	intrigeri	drebs: ggus' idea was that we should 1st have the introductions
2018-02-26 17:59:11	ggus	drebs: after the talks
2018-02-26 17:59:17	intrigeri	isabela: great, will get in touch with you later if we don't manage to discuss this in Rome.
2018-02-26 17:59:24	ilv	i'd say after, so you can motivate people to get to the meetup
2018-02-26 17:59:31	ilv	get/go
2018-02-26 17:59:36	intrigeri	ilv: exactly
2018-02-26 17:59:48	drebs	so maybe do both talks on first day and both meetups on second day?
2018-02-26 17:59:53	anadahz	agree later is much better
2018-02-26 17:59:58	 *	isabela is here and not here
2018-02-26 18:00:09	drebs	like schroedinger's cat
2018-02-26 18:00:12	anadahz	though assume that people may only join one of the 2 sessions
2018-02-26 18:00:18	attila	curiously, i am not here and here
2018-02-26 18:00:42	drebs	is there any other activity that needs to be discussed now?
2018-02-26 18:00:42	intrigeri	drebs: sounds good to me!
2018-02-26 18:00:56	intrigeri	I'm good.
2018-02-26 18:01:22	 *	drebs might fade awat if rain gets heavier
2018-02-26 18:01:33	ilv	maybe a relay operator session?
2018-02-26 18:01:34	drebs	nothing else for point 4?
2018-02-26 18:01:38	drebs	ah, ok
2018-02-26 18:01:44	ilv	(i am not sure if i'm going so i'm thinking outloud)
2018-02-26 18:01:54	anadahz	ilv: I guess this is covered in the Tor meetup
2018-02-26 18:01:56	drebs	ilv, do you know if egypcio is coming ?
2018-02-26 18:02:00	 *	intrigeri gently asks the rain to take it easy for 10 more minutes.
2018-02-26 18:02:09	ggus	ok, important thing: we need all the sessions translated.
2018-02-26 18:02:24	ilv	drebs: i don't know
2018-02-26 18:02:34	intrigeri	anadahz, ilv: the Tor users meetup I want to run is more about less tech-savvy end-users, not relay ops
2018-02-26 18:03:09	intrigeri	ggus: that is? I should find translators from my so-called "English" into pt_BR?
2018-02-26 18:03:10	anadahz	intrigeri: not sure if we have resources/time to have both sessions
2018-02-26 18:03:32	intrigeri	anadahz: I personally know too little about relay ops stuff to run anything about it.
2018-02-26 18:04:03	anadahz	Usually we used to split in groups, relays operators, getting started with Tor or Ask me Anything
2018-02-26 18:04:17	ggus	intrigeri: the sessions in cpa.cryptorave.org *need* to be in portuguese, because english is a hurddle in brasil
2018-02-26 18:04:47	anadahz	Used to be a good recipe in Tor meetups all over LATAM.
2018-02-26 18:04:56	gwolf	ggus: FWIW I have found the level of English understanding in Latin America to be at least higher than in most of European countries
2018-02-26 18:04:59	intrigeri	anadahz: OK!
2018-02-26 18:05:01	ggus	i agree with anadahz. maybe we can host a tor meetup for relays ops and volunteers. and tails and tor meetup users.
2018-02-26 18:05:20	drebs	intrigeri, i can help translating if you need
2018-02-26 18:05:20	gwolf	ggus: I agree with you overall :-] 
2018-02-26 18:05:38	intrigeri	drebs: this would be lovely because otherwise I'm not sure I can be very useful there
2018-02-26 18:05:38	drebs	so it seems that tor relay ops is not happening? unless someone will host it?
2018-02-26 18:05:47	intrigeri	(which would kinda defeat the point of burning all this oil and Tor+Tails money to fly me to CR :)
2018-02-26 18:06:01	gwolf	Now, having "interrupting" translation... Is a bit boring, but quite easy to do (you don't need to be too skilled)
2018-02-26 18:06:10	drebs	intrigeri, let's make sure it's worth it ;)
2018-02-26 18:06:10	gwolf	doing simultaneous translation is something quite more difficult
2018-02-26 18:06:28	drebs	do we want to discuss something else regarding cryptorave activities?
2018-02-26 18:06:52	anadahz	drebs: Tor relay ops will be part of the Tor meetup: relay ops and volunteers
2018-02-26 18:06:53	ggus	we have simultaneous translatation for activities, but not for meetups
2018-02-26 18:06:59	drebs	ok
2018-02-26 18:07:24	drebs	shall we move on?
2018-02-26 18:07:24	intrigeri	so there will be a "Tor meetup: relay ops and volunteers"?
2018-02-26 18:07:37	intrigeri	I'm confused.
2018-02-26 18:07:42	jose-victor	I'm confused too
2018-02-26 18:08:37	ggus	let me try to explain
2018-02-26 18:08:37	drebs	yes
2018-02-26 18:08:37	intrigeri	so we'll have 2 intro talks (Tails, Tor), 2 user meetups (Tails, Tor) and 1 "Tor meetup: relay ops and volunteers"? or is the idea to have 1 single Tor meetup and split the group based on interests & skills?
2018-02-26 18:08:46	ggus	two meetup sessions: first, tor relays ops and volunteers. second meetup: tor users and tials.
2018-02-26 18:09:06	ggus	intrigeri: 1 user meetup
2018-02-26 18:09:58	intrigeri	and we split the group at the beginning depending on whether they use Tails or Tor BrowserC
2018-02-26 18:09:58	intrigeri	?
2018-02-26 18:09:58	ggus	sounds good
2018-02-26 18:10:17	intrigeri	OK. So I'll coordinate with isabela and I guess I'll take care with drebs of the Tails sub-group and she can take care of the Tor Browser ones. Too bad, I would have loved to attend both but I think it's the best idea we've heard so far :)
2018-02-26 18:10:59	drebs	intrigeri, one sec
2018-02-26 18:11:06	drebs	if i understand it right, ggus is proposing:
2018-02-26 18:11:10	ggus	let's think more about this
2018-02-26 18:11:18	ggus	drebs: go on
2018-02-26 18:11:26	drebs	1. tor stuff (relays and volunteers)
2018-02-26 18:11:39	drebs	2. tor and tails users
2018-02-26 18:11:48	drebs	i think tor browser is on 2
2018-02-26 18:11:55	intrigeri	Yes.
2018-02-26 18:12:24	intrigeri	This matches my understanding and I agree but I propose we split the group at the beginning of 2 betweer Tails & TB.
2018-02-26 18:12:25	drebs	so you think (2) could be split in 2
2018-02-26 18:12:49	ilv	i think vouleents on 1) can also cover tails volunteers :)
2018-02-26 18:12:55	ilv	volunteers*
2018-02-26 18:13:05	intrigeri	Yes. Rationale: TB users who have no clue about Tails won't follow if we talk about Tails, so in practice if we don't split, we'll have a TB users meeting, which is good but I also want to hear about Tails stuff.
2018-02-26 18:13:20	ggus	ilv: agree!
2018-02-26 18:13:31	drebs	intrigeri, why not have them split from start and in different times?
2018-02-26 18:13:50	anadahz	We should remember *not* to have the meetups in the same time
2018-02-26 18:13:50	drebs	(1) tor (relays and volunteers), (2) tails users, (3) tb users
2018-02-26 18:13:56	intrigeri	drebs: I dunno, I've adjusted my idea to ggus's proposal :)
2018-02-26 18:14:00	gwolf	intrigeri: Maybe having a separate session then presenting some use cases or use tips?
2018-02-26 18:14:19	drebs	ggus, would 3 bee too many meetups?
2018-02-26 18:14:40	intrigeri	ilv, ggus: fwiw my idea was to meet with Tails contributors post-CR, after having met them at CR, but if you think it's better to do that during CR I'm OK with that!
2018-02-26 18:14:55	ggus	drebs: well, probably, but probably ppl wnat to engage in these communities?
2018-02-26 18:15:00	drebs	intrigeri, i think there's people coming from many parts that might not be there after CR is finished
2018-02-26 18:15:13	ilv	good point
2018-02-26 18:15:21	intrigeri	gwolf: I don't follow the "presenting some use cases or use tips" part. See lines 103-107 on the pad, I want to listen, not to present :)
2018-02-26 18:15:26	intrigeri	drebs: OK!
2018-02-26 18:15:45	ggus	gwolf: this use cases should happen in the intro part
2018-02-26 18:16:04	 *	gwolf shuts up, am talking with only half a (quite tired) brain :-] sorry for the noise!
2018-02-26 18:16:14	gwolf	I understood things quite backwardsed
2018-02-26 18:16:16	drebs	so i see on one side intri's will to participate in tails an tb meetups, and on the other side, an effort to organize stuff in a way that makes sense for users and newcomers
2018-02-26 18:16:36	drebs	maybe we should think more about this after this meeting? not sure we'll get somewhere now
2018-02-26 18:17:06	ggus	i agree
2018-02-26 18:17:08	intrigeri	drebs: I really don't want to cause trouble. I can totally live with the way it's written on the pad right now (=> I don't attend the TB users meetup)
2018-02-26 18:17:19	gman999	i have a quick request last on the agenda items...
2018-02-26 18:17:23	gman999	so lmk
2018-02-26 18:17:23	intrigeri	lines 41-44
2018-02-26 18:17:48	intrigeri	drebs, ggus: I feel we agreed on that before drebs tried to find a way to make me even happier. 
2018-02-26 18:17:58	drebs	intrigeri, if that is ok for you, i'm ok with it
2018-02-26 18:18:07	ggus	hahah!
2018-02-26 18:18:31	intrigeri	before we switch to next topic: I don't see any name/action wrt. submitting the relay ops / volunteers meetup.
2018-02-26 18:18:31	drebs	ok, next thing?
2018-02-26 18:18:52	ggus	intrigeri: you can add my name
2018-02-26 18:18:58	intrigeri	ggus: woohoo
2018-02-26 18:19:04	drebs	anadahz, is that ok for you?
2018-02-26 18:19:19	anadahz	drebs: yes
2018-02-26 18:19:22	drebs	ok
2018-02-26 18:19:25	drebs	next: 
2018-02-26 18:19:31	anadahz	we can move to the next topic
2018-02-26 18:19:37	drebs	5- improve the hacker (tor,tails,cryptorave) community internationally
2018-02-26 18:19:47	drebs	who put that up?
2018-02-26 18:19:53	ilv	(I added an action for having a translated intro for volunteers, i can do it but some will have to check my portuguese)
2018-02-26 18:20:07	intrigeri	drebs: that was sambar I think
2018-02-26 18:20:12	drebs	ilv, ping me if you need translation help
2018-02-26 18:20:20	intrigeri	drebs:  not sure if it's actionable right now without sambar
2018-02-26 18:20:27	ilv	cool will do
2018-02-26 18:20:30	drebs	does someone want to talk about 5? if not, shall we move on?
2018-02-26 18:20:46	drebs	next point:
2018-02-26 18:20:48	drebs	6 - CryptoRave organizational needs
2018-02-26 18:20:54	drebs	who put that up?
2018-02-26 18:21:44	drebs	hi?
2018-02-26 18:21:57	intrigeri	"unknown author" according to that little snitch of etherpad. (yeah, I hate version control as much as I love it :)
2018-02-26 18:22:12	drebs	ggus, ?
2018-02-26 18:22:23	drebs	otherwise...
2018-02-26 18:22:27	ggus	i don't know
2018-02-26 18:22:28	anadahz	CR is organized by a very small group of people. I would like to ask if they need anything.
2018-02-26 18:22:58	anadahz	In terms of organization, building, servers, networks, etc..
2018-02-26 18:23:27	intrigeri	hugs?
2018-02-26 18:23:32	drebs	love
2018-02-26 18:23:37	ggus	at the moment we have two volunteers working in the website, but 
2018-02-26 18:23:39	ggus	hahaha
2018-02-26 18:23:49	ggus	also <3
2018-02-26 18:24:01	ggus	we need to spread the campaign
2018-02-26 18:24:09	intrigeri	(meta: I should run at :30 max)
2018-02-26 18:24:14	ggus	if you know international donators, ping me
2018-02-26 18:24:53	intrigeri	(if I have to run before the end of the meeting: if anyone sends me the content of the pad once you're done, I'm happy to edit and send notes to the mailing list)
2018-02-26 18:24:55	ggus	we don't receive money from corps/banks/this kind of organization
2018-02-26 18:25:19	ggus	we already sent an email to Chaos computer club asking for support
2018-02-26 18:25:39	intrigeri	ggus: good. I hope you asked more than last year :)
2018-02-26 18:25:51	drebs	ggus, i took note of spread campaign, money - international donnors,
2018-02-26 18:26:10	drebs	something else? otherwise maybe you send to the tor-south list somehting that you find those people can be useful with? :)
2018-02-26 18:26:25	ggus	i think that's it!
2018-02-26 18:26:35	drebs	great,
2018-02-26 18:26:39	intrigeri	great. thanks for this meeting. thanks drebs for facilitating!
2018-02-26 18:26:41	ggus	intrigeri: actually asked the same amount. (meh)
2018-02-26 18:26:42	drebs	anadahz, anything else?
2018-02-26 18:26:43	ilv	gman999 had a request, i think
2018-02-26 18:26:47	gman999	yes.. 
2018-02-26 18:26:53	gman999	ok?
2018-02-26 18:26:53	anadahz	intrigeri: I can post the meeting notes and the pad's content (once it's ready) it to  Trac (if everyone is OK with that) and send the link to the tor-south ML
2018-02-26 18:26:54	intrigeri	ggus: "sorry we forgot a 0"
2018-02-26 18:26:58	drebs	oh, sorry, i missed that
2018-02-26 18:27:02	intrigeri	anadahz: excellent!
2018-02-26 18:27:08	ggus	intrigeri: hahah!
2018-02-26 18:27:15	drebs	anadahz, great
2018-02-26 18:27:18	drebs	gman999, please do
2018-02-26 18:27:21	gman999	thanks.
2018-02-26 18:27:25	intrigeri	ggus: (that was in hexa of course, what were you thinking?)
2018-02-26 18:27:35	gman999	anadahz mentioned someone might be able to do pt or es translations...
2018-02-26 18:27:37	gman999	https://torbsd.org/open-letter.html
2018-02-26 18:27:50	intrigeri	anyway, got to go, ♥ and see you on the mailing list + maybe next meeting!
2018-02-26 18:28:06	intrigeri	I'm out.
2018-02-26 18:28:07	anadahz	intrigeri: ciao
2018-02-26 18:28:15	intrigeri	a piu tarde!
2018-02-26 18:28:16	gman999	my two es pt translators would love a break from translations
2018-02-26 18:28:32	gman999	if interested... ping me offline
2018-02-26 18:28:44	drebs	gman999, can you explain in one phrase what's that?
2018-02-26 18:28:53	gman999	open letter for bsd tor relays
2018-02-26 18:29:01	gman999	es and pt circulation would be great.
2018-02-26 18:29:10	drebs	great
2018-02-26 18:29:14	drebs	thanks
2018-02-26 18:29:19	anadahz	gman999: also please post it to the list, our friends at ekoparty/eko.space may be able to help with ES
2018-02-26 18:29:28	gman999	that would be great.  ty.
2018-02-26 18:29:37	gman999	will do.
2018-02-26 18:29:40	drebs	anything else? shall we close the meeting?
2018-02-26 18:29:46	gman999	i'm done
2018-02-26 18:30:06	drebs	great, thanks everyone
2018-02-26 18:30:19	anadahz	Action: send some money, love and web devs to CryptoRave orgranizes :)
2018-02-26 18:30:19	ggus	thanks everybody! :)
2018-02-26 18:30:26	anadahz	thank you all!
2018-02-26 18:30:30	ilv	thanks o/
2018-02-26 18:30:51	anadahz	I'm going to add the meeting notes and the pad contect in Trac (for future reference).
2018-02-26 18:31:06	ggus	drebs: intrigeri could be the DJ in the party
2018-02-26 18:31:32	drebs	ggus, i think he should be free to dance
2018-02-26 18:31:52	ggus	good point